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DockyWocky Wrote: Aug 01, 2011 11:20 AM
I only want an explanation of why Al-Jazeera was allowed to open on a NYC cable channel?

Nothing like allowing our enemy a propaganda outlet right in the heart of us Yankee infidel dogs' heartland,

Bloomberg had to have a finger in this.
Herman Wrote: Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM
Notice how the media is downplaying (ignoring) the fact the Norway terrorist was a staunch supporter of Israel?
tibby Wrote: Jul 30, 2011 7:13 AM
When in doubt, blame the Jews.
Larry Wrote: Jul 29, 2011 12:35 AM
So, was it "right-wing" influence or Christian extremism that propelled Charles Manson, Richard Speck, John Wayne Gacey, Clyde Barrow, Charles Starkweather, Ted Bundy, Timothy McVey, Jack the Ripper, the Hillside strangler or Jeffery Dahmer? Please, people, a little objective thinking is in order here. Gather the facts, analyze them and reach an conclusion based on the evidence, not some fanciful notion that is a product of ignorance or wishful, erratic thinking.
Brian'61 Wrote: Jul 28, 2011 3:09 PM
All this hand wringing about whether mass killers are conservative or liberal is moronic. As if the actions of a insance gunman can be legitimately used to tar the left of the right. Here's a thought: When individuals follow the golden rule, society greatly benefits, regardless of politics.
Steve of CA Wrote: Jul 28, 2011 2:29 PM
I won't say he is responsible for the acts of this extremist who shot children in a Norway summer camp operated by the ruling Labour party. But it is time for him to reconsider his rhetoric of accusing liberals of being fascists. The victims in this case were liberals, not fascists.
cashe Wrote: Jul 28, 2011 9:52 AM
Why are you assuming that a Mexican illegal immigrant child killer, the Ft Hood shooter, and the Gifford shooter are all liberals? Just because someone is not a Tea Party conservative does not mean they are automatically liberal.
Redneck48 Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 7:28 PM
How about the idea that this goofball is a whacko!
Carlos Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 9:30 PM
Well ...

He was raised by Liberal Parents. Schooled by Liberal teachers. Attended a Liberal College in a Liberal Country.


Yep! There's a good chance he's whacked.
Lois Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 6:50 PM
this man is nothing but a danger to society; his camps target young children.
Truncheon Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 7:37 PM
So do those of the Boy Scouts, and the Girl Scouts....
Cal Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 5:35 PM
EVEN THE NEW YORK TIMES at first speculated that the Norway killings where the work of A LEFTIST ISLAMOFACIST.
Truncheon Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 5:38 PM
And two Jihadist organizations tried to take credit....
Resist, We Much!!! Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 5:15 PM
World Exclusive! Anders Behring Breivik Interviews Anders Behring Breivik!

Q: “[You] object to Islam because [you see] Europe as being taken over by Muslims, and Europeans as [not only] losing their identity [but gleefully giving it away]. What is your solution? Is your solution to have Norway and Europe return and preserve their historical culture, which is Christian?”

A: “As this is a cultural war, our definition of being a Christian does not necessarily constitute that you are required to have a personal relationship with God or Jesus…. The European cultural heritage, our norms (moral codes and social structures included), our traditions and our modern political systems are based on Christianity…. It is not required that you...
Resist, We Much!!! Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 5:19 PM
Read the rest of "World Exclusive! Anders Behring Breivik Interviews Anders Behring Breivik!" here:

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2011/07/world-exclusive-anders-behring-breivik_25.html
Resist, We Much!!! Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 5:13 PM
World Exclusive! Anders Behring Breivik Interviews Anders Behring Breivik!


Q: “As for the Church and science, it is essential that science takes an undisputed precedence over biblical teachings, what should be our civilisational [sic] objectives, how do you envision a perfect Europe?

A: “…rationalist thought (a certain degree of national Darwinism) should be the fundament [sic] of our societies. Regarding my personal relationship with God, I guess I’m not an excessively religious man. I’m not going to pretend I’m a very religious person, as that would be a lie. I’ve always been very pragmatic and influenced by my secular surroundings and environment…. Religion is a crutch for many weak people…I have not yet felt the need to ask...
Cal Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 5:12 PM
For every such incident on the right, there are 10 from the loony left. Who shot Giffords and all those staffers in Arizona? Who was responsible for the Ft. Hood shooting? It goes on and on.

Indeed the left is far far more violent than the right.
Truncheon Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 5:14 PM
Quite so. It is rare indeed that liberals gather anywhere, for any reason, that vandalism and arrests don't soon follow...
Cal Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 5:21 PM
There have been so-many crimes committed by Leftist Islamofascists and Undocumented lefties that it makes Norway look like a Birthday Party. What about that guy from Mexican that brutally raped and killed that 13 year-old girl in Calif? I'm talking thousands of homicides and rapes a year. The left's argument is absurd.
Truncheon Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 5:10 PM
Bud writes: "Sky is correct with this statement"

Let's review:

Sky writes: "It's not clear to me that you even understand what I was insinuating."

Since you appear to know what Sky was insinuating, perhaps you can tell us?

Resist, We Much!!! Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 5:09 PM
Q: “How would I classify my religious beliefs?”

A: “I’m not going to pretend I’m a very religious person as that would be a lie. I’ve always been very pragmatic and influenced by my secular surroundings and environment…Religion is a crutch for many weak people and many embrace religion for self serving reasons as a source for drawing mental strength…Since I am not a hypocrite, I’ll say directly that this is my agenda as well. However, I have not yet felt the need to ask God for strength, yet…But I’m pretty sure I will pray to God as I’m rushing through my city, guns blazing…”
cajun2 Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 5:08 PM
You want to make conservatives angry, lie to them. You want to make liberals angry, tell them the truth. (anonymous)
Charles Martel Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 6:42 PM
So true; therefore, it didn't make me angry.

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Truncheon Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 5:07 PM
Bud writes: "the shooter is a right wing zealot"

Right-wing is a relative term, Conservative is an absolute term. You appear to be conflating the two.

In the context of America, Conservatives and Right Wing are the same. And we don't condone killing innocents, let alone mass murdering innocents.

Ergo, the suggestion that this act reflects on us is specious.
Truncheon Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 5:08 PM
Bud writes: "His motivation is hate."

Everyone hates, most people don't mass murder....
Cal Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 5:06 PM
Just what is Palestinian Amid Moore of Al Jazeera using for a brain? What an idiot...........as is Hilary Clinton's recommendation of Al Jazeera itself.
Bud Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 5:03 PM
Sky is correct with this statement. You conservatives can say that it is a media hoax that the shooter is a right wing zealot, but you would be lying to yourselves. The truth is what it is.

His motivation is hate. Hate for the increasing multi-culturalism, specifically with Muslim immigration to Norway and other parts of Europe. Hate for the liberal ideology that he blames for enabling it, so he shot up 80+ kids at a liberal summer camp.
Resist, We Much!!! Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 5:24 PM
"His motivation is hate. Hate for the increasing multi-culturalism, specifically with Muslim immigration to Norway and other parts of Europe. Hate for the liberal ideology that he blames for enabling it"

You can call it whatever you want, but his problem is not out of the mainstream. In fact, it is an issue with a great deal of Europeans, which is why the Left - Socialists, Labour, Soc-Dems, etcs. - have, over the last decade suffered losses like they haven't since the 1920s. The Left's usual base, the working and middle classes, is leaving it in droves because of immigration (not just Muslim, but Eastern Europeans). That is not my alleged prejudice talking. That is what people ON THE LEFT like big time Labour leader, David Milliband.
Resist, We Much!!! Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 5:26 PM
His "solution" was disgusting, vile, horrific, and evil.

Just don't make the mistake of thinking that his problems with Muslim immigration are only found on the far-right fringe. They aren't and if you want to see some of the reasons why, read my piece "Hitler's Ghost Haunts Europe":

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2011/07/hitlers-ghost-haunts-europe.html
Truncheon Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 5:02 PM
Sky writes: "It's not clear to me that you even understand what I was insinuating."

Really. Let's suppose someone was making a vague insinuation that began, ""right-wing Conservative sites ... Christian Conservative ... hates Muslims". Furthermore, let's suppose the person making that insinuation is a known liberal.

What might a reasonable person assume?

If you're contention is that you employed your English so poorly that you were misunderstood, then I reckon now is the time for you to clarify your remarks....
Ray the Anarcho-Capitalist Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 5:00 PM
Based on what Beck recited from the article Al Jazeera is not claiming that he's responsible for Breivik's actions. I'm glad to hear that Beck is a man of peace and opposes the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. See:

http://thinkprogress.org/media/2007/04/24/12249/beck-slavery/
http://archive.glennbeck.com/realstory/08-24-06.shtml

Also good to hear that he loves gays and wants them to be treated just like everyone else. That's why he wants to get rid of DADT, DOMA, bans of same sex marriage.

Oh wait, he doesn't.
Truncheon Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 5:04 PM
Ray writes: "he loves gays and wants them to be treated just like everyone else."

It is my understanding that nobody, gay or not, is permitted to marry someone of the same gender. Isn't that treating everyone the same?
Tinsldr2 Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 5:05 PM
Actually he does not oppose gay civil marriage. In fact he said,

Glenn Beck told his Fox News colleague Bill O'Reilly on Thursday that gay marriage and other issues dear to social conservatives are no threat to America and that "we have bigger fish to fry."

"You can argue about abortion or gay marriage or whatever else you want," Beck told O'Reilly, according to the Fox News transcript. "Instead of arguing about these divisive things, let's get back into our churches and our synagogues . . . "

When asked if gay marriage was a threat to America -- a tenet of faith to many conservative Christians -- Beck said, "No."

"I believe that Thomas Jefferson said, 'If it neither breaks my leg or picks my pocket, what difference is it to me?' "
Tinsldr2 Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 5:05 PM
Source for above:

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/08/13/glenn-beck-says-gay-marriage-no-threat-to-america/
aurorawatcher Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 7:43 PM
Homosexual marriage is not a threat to American civil society. It is, however, a threat to the appropriate understanding of marriage, which is one of our foundational civil units. It is, however, no greater threat to that than divorce and heterosexual civil units. Basically, anytime we say "Oh, that's a marriage" when there's no civil cost to dissolving that "marriage", then it is not a marriage and that where the threat to real marriage comes in. We lost that battle a long time ago when we accepted no-fault divorce and living together as social norms.
aurorawatcher Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 7:44 PM
That said, I agree with Beck that if Christians lived by their beliefs, we could transform our society and return to former social norms. It's taken my lifetime to dump us into this sewer. It will likely take my kids' lifetime to drag our way out of it -- if we get started today.
Resist, We Much!!! Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 5:06 PM
From The Huffington Post:

Glenn Beck: Gay Marriage NOT Threat To America (VIDEO)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/12/glenn-beck-gay-marriage-n_n_679691.html

If I feel like it later, I'll look into the rest of the post later, but you sort of lose me at "Think Progress."
aurorawatcher Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 7:38 PM
Ray, being treated like everyone else means you don't get special treatment, which is what homosexuals get now. Here in my state, it is common practice for homosexuals not to be charged when they have sex with minors, while heterosexuals are always charged. I thought it was odd, so I mentioned it to a couple of friends -- one a psychiatrist in Tennessee and another a psychologist who works with sexually abused minors in California. Both informed me that this is SOP in their states as well.

Why? Because if law enforcement charges homosexuals, they are accused of discrimination. To quote the psychologist in CA: "Homosexuals are just helping young homosexuals to get in touch with their true sexual orientation. It's not sex abuse because...
GRAHAM WELLINGTON Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 4:57 PM
Poor glenn. Always the victim. And 13 minutes of him whining? How can anyone watch this putz?
Big Sky Cowboy VI Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 8:49 PM
Sounds like you are a putz, graham cracker.
Truncheon Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 4:44 PM
Sky attempt to rapidly change the point: "Is that clear enough for you?"

Pardo me while I stay on point, as amusing as it is watching you thrash wildly attempting to avoid the point.

You said, "right-wing Conservative sites ... Christian Conservative ... hates Muslims ... sound familiar"

Would you like to retract this insinuation, in light of the fact that he wasn't shooting any Muslims, and couldn't possibly represent the larger community of Christians or Conservatives who oppose things like mass murder organically?
Sky isn't falling Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 4:47 PM
It's not clear to me that you even understand what I was insinuating. Why don't you tell me exactly what you think I meant by that statement.
Resist, We Much!!! Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 5:08 PM
Why don't you read what he said himself?

World Exclusive! Anders Behring Breivik Interviews Anders Behring Breivik!

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2011/07/world-exclusive-anders-behring-breivik_25.html

I am an atheist, but he said that I am a Christian.

You see, I do the media's homework for them. You just drink that kool-aid. Yassa, Massa Jim Jones.
Stan Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 4:42 PM
Hey, isn't this the same problem that we had when a right winger shot Giffords... Oh, wait... that one wasn't the right wings fault either.
This seems to be a common theme shared by the liberal media and Al Jazeera... wait for it...
I'm sure some liberal just pointed out that if Bush hadn't gone over there and started killing innocent people there would be no reason for Al Jazeera and the liberal media to form a partnership..
Stan Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 4:45 PM
My apologies to Kevin and Truncheon for having repeated what they just got through saying (kind of..).
Truncheon Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 5:33 PM
No sweat, Stan. Very soon I'll be saying what you just said, there can be no doubt...
Kevin Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 4:42 PM
I wonder how much of George Soros' money is used to fund al Jazeera?
Truncheon Wrote: Jul 27, 2011 4:40 PM
We already understand how this all works, liberal trolls. In case you're not up on current events, we just went though all this with the Gifford's shooting.

The only way you guys will ever get cured, is to admit that you have a problem....
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