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Allen West: Obama Shredding Constitution

  • Wed, August 24, 2011
  • Breitbart.tv
  • Dateline:New York, NY

"I think he's shredding his responsibilities as the president."

Tags: Budget and Government , Media and Culture , Allen West , Barack Obama
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Gerald Wrote: Aug 26, 2011 11:42 AM
Why is the colonel getting so much coverage in TH? Are not other congressman saying similar things?
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Releor400 Wrote: Aug 26, 2011 6:12 AM
Yes! we are getting change alright! Hopefully it wont be to late to undo all the damage. In other words regain our American Identity that is being stripped away. Americans dont want to be transformed/changed into something different. Americans want their government to work like the constitution intended. That includes allowing for change and growth that, by the way IS built in by allowing amendments. That is quite different than what is going on now. The perverse twisting, distorting work arounds this current administration is all about is unforgiveable. They are an enemy within
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mirtin Wrote: Aug 26, 2011 4:43 AM
Conservative radio-talk-show-host Lou Dobbs

Tea Party PA-US-Congressman Lou Barletta,

Want you to call your US-State-Congressmen-Senators and tell them to block-stop-vote-against this,

heavily-flawed version of an E-Verify bill,

A betrayal against the Tea Party and all Conservatives, disgracefully-duplicitously sponsored and an attempt to strong-arm through by;

US-House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith,

A pro-Chamber-of-Commerce, pro-illegal-alien, pro-RINO,

heavily-flawed version of an E-Verify bill

HR-2164 The Legal Workforce Act

It's filled with legal-loopholes,

It takes the power-ability away from the States to enforce-Federal-pass-enforce State,

illegal-alien-immigration laws !

https://www.numbersusa.com
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mirtin Wrote: Aug 26, 2011 4:43 AM
Conservative Radio Talk Show Host Lou Dobbs,

and Tea Party US-Congressman Lou Barletta R-PA,

Is Asking All of US To Act On This NOW !

If Lamar Smith's heavily-flawed E-Verify HR-2164 bill passes, it will be the 1986 IRCA all over again !

Call your US-State-Congressmen-Senators tell them to STOP

House Judiciary Chairman Lamar Smith's highly-misleading, fake-phoney-fraud,

heavily-flawed E-Verify bill

HR-2164 The Legal Workforce Act

It's filled with legal-loopholes, takes the power away from the States to be able to enforce State-Federal illegal-alien-immigration laws

and completely blocks the States from being able to enforce their own anti-illegal-alien-immigration laws !
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mirtin Wrote: Aug 26, 2011 4:44 AM
Another amnesty ?
New heavily-flawed E-Verify bill HR-2164
The Legal Workforce Act hobbles border states

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/another_amnesty_LauPhaZnaURz3fUcpXAphK

State Legislators for Legal Immigration Opposes HR 2164 Why ?
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/node/12299

Heavily-flawed E-Verify bill
HR-2164 The Legal Workforce Act
Throwing the States off the Field !

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/270003/throwing-states-field-kris-kobac
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Ivan Wrote: Aug 26, 2011 12:02 AM
Geez! A politician has finally woken up! What! It took 4 years of Obama for one of them to wake up.
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Tami Wrote: Aug 26, 2011 3:39 AM
Rep. West was never asleep.
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Sonny Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 8:32 PM
Who would rather have covering your back in a fire fight, Allen West, or the current administration in D,C,?
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Carlos Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 10:23 PM
Exactly ... just look at all the "Friends" Obama has thrown under the bus.

Heck, one can find more Integrity at Supermax.
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Frank Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 6:49 PM
The sad truth is that this man knows very little about the constitution or the law. He is a soldier, a bad one at that given his record. His views tend to be formed by listening to right wing media types. Folks like the self-proclaimed "Great One" are likely sources of his constitutional education. What he really is saying is that he disagrees with the policies of the Obama administration and the previous Congress. Fine, that is perfectly within his right to do so. But to then state that his disagreements with him are based upon his constitutional interpretations of various acts and laws without giving the basis for them or citing case law supporting his claims tells me he is nothing more than an opinion with a high and tight crew cut.
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Taft Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 7:25 PM
True, but I don't mind their historical ignorance as much as the grand contradictions. If they'd only stay true to one goal, or belief. and maybe even form their own religion, one based on something other than the Gospels.
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Frank Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 8:07 PM
I agree. What is astounding is the certainty of their convictions and declarations when in fact most of the things they consider sacrilegious are extremely complex legal and cultural issues. These kind of people should live in nations like Switzerland or Denmark or Germany where everyone shares the same values, ethos and culture. But they do not live in those nations. They cannot stand the fact that our nation is no longer a WASP centered white nation that must deal with varied types of ideas, norms and conditions. They want us to be monolithic believing that by being the same, we become free. Freedom is not uniformity, it is complex. And this complexity drives them nuts.
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Sonny Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 8:26 PM
Three Obama pie in the sky wet-dreaming parrots have just spoken, wonderful.
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MoreKowBell Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 10:04 PM
You're so trite, simplistic and typically liberal. For example "They want us to be monolithic believing that by being the same, we become free. Freedom is not uniformity, it is complex". No LIBTARD. It's the pillars of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, i.e., the framers belief in limited government, rule of law and private propterty rights, that makes us free, not believing that we should all be the same. Wanna talk about being different, try reading the 9th and 10th Amendments. Haven't you heard of federalism?
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southern tom Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 10:10 PM

...THEY don't have the faintest idea of what you're talking about, MKB... they believe only in the proven false religion of socialism. IT IS THEY who should move to Denmark or Germany...
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MoreKowBell Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 10:14 PM
No kidding. It's the same thing over and over and over... vacuous projection. I could write for hours on their ignorant comments. They constantly spew platitudes to their world view. Denial, projection, sarcasm, group-think... It's just unbelievable.
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Lance85 Wrote: Aug 26, 2011 1:31 AM
The truth shall set you free...
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Tami Wrote: Aug 26, 2011 3:58 AM
Your comment proves an ignorance of Rep. West, and attempts to insert personal opinion as fact. Typical liberal full-blown Alinsky tactics with a few Daily Kos positions thrown in for good measure.

Knowing Rep. West personally and having spent many hours speaking to and listening to him speak in both off the cuff and planned remarks, Rep. West is one of the most knowledgeable Reps this nation has when it comes to American History, our Constitution and the Framers intent. Far from parroting Levin, Rep. West has studied all areas you claim he is ignorant of and is able to relay this knowledge, sans teleprompter, no wonder the left fears him so.

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anne Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 6:46 PM
West is a traitor
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Imiss40 Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 6:38 PM
Geez, I really like this guy!!!

I still think that Bachmann/West is a great ticket.

Of course it would make the libtrolls apoplectic.
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Taft Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 6:40 PM
I don't think so. Libs like to laugh.
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Sonny Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 8:29 PM
I don't think so, plantation liberal's like to parrot tripe, it's their reason for being.
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southern tom Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 10:11 PM

...YES, libs do like to laugh... and while they're LOL'ing, the country is disintegrating...
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MoreKowBell Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 10:18 PM
modern libs are bigoted, race baiting, socialistic hypocrites.
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Anne_PA Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 5:16 PM
Lance85 @ 4:52 PM

You are absolutely correct!

It was, and is the responsibility of all soldiers in any position of command to be responsible for their troops safety and welfare.

The real problem is, IMO, the ROEs that are determined by Congress.

And what I'd like to know is how these dopes in Congress who have never been in battle, or possibly on the front in another conflict where things were different, know enough to tell someone like West, how to do his job!

That, as that idiot Waters would say, "unconscionab-o" . (Sorry, I'm still chuckling about that one!)

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commchf Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 6:32 PM
Name once in our history that Congress has imposed ROE? You're such an idiot.
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Taft Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 6:39 PM
Exactly, the Generals set them, Petraeus in particular. Anne believes everything she sees on the web.
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sheepdogII Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 8:40 PM
Try the Vietnam war dipstick
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Bill Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 10:22 PM

commie, I don't agree with your politics, but you are spot on with that one - Anne sure is an idiot, and the thing is, it gets proven time and time again - no shame? that stupid? your guess is as good as mine.


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Bud Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 4:30 PM
West was charged with violating articles 128 (assault) and 134 (general article) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. During a hearing held as part of an Article 32 investigation in November 2003, West stated, "I know the method I used was not right, but I wanted to take care of my soldiers."[12] The charges were ultimately referred to an Article 15 proceeding rather than court-martial, at which West was fined $5,000.[11] LTC West accepted the judgment and retired with full benefits in the summer of 2004.
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Lance85 Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 4:33 PM
Bud, what he did is the same thing every good officer and NCO would've done to protect their troops.
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Anne_PA Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 4:43 PM
Lance: Looks like Buuud got his info right out of the Wiki....

Buuud is such a simpleton.

And West did say that he'd carry a full gas tank through hell to save his troops.

Buuuud wouldn't lift his finger to save anyone!
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carol Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 4:50 PM
Anne - the other day i did a wiki on bill clinton and they said that clinton left the presidency as the most popular president in history. Unbelievable and completely erroneous statement. Another interesting and extremely erroneous observation is this. A couple of years ago we were visiting the American History and they showed Richard Nixon as having been impeached and nothing about impeachment on clinton. Horrifying. And our school children see that junk.
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Lance85 Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 4:52 PM
While I admire people like my preacher who told me because of his beliefs as a preacher, he couldn't carry a weapon and fight, most others I always look at skeptically when they say they wouldn't do things like West was accused of. It is my belief that most people placed in similiar situations where it means their families lives, their friends, etc., they'd do what they needed to get the information.
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carol Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 5:07 PM
I'm sorry. That is the American History Museum with the Smithsonian group in DC.
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commchf Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 6:27 PM
visiting the "American History"....where?
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commchf Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 6:29 PM
History alert....
Clinton was impeached, Nixon was never impeached and the museum does not say so.
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commchf Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 6:34 PM
So you're saying his superior officers were wrong? Were they looking out for their troops too? Were they patriots?
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commchf Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 6:40 PM
"They" didn't say it...this was footnoted:

End-of-Presidency Job Approval Ratings
President Rating (%) Election Results
Bill Clinton
(2 terms, D, 2001) 66 VP Gore (D) wins popular vote but Bush (R) wins electoral college vote
Ronald Reagan
(2 terms, R, 1989) 63 VP Bush (R) defeats Dukakis (D)
John F. Kennedy
(partial term, D, 1963) 63 (VP) Johnson (D) defeats Goldwater (R)
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Lance85 Wrote: Aug 26, 2011 1:35 AM
Commchf, what I believe happened is that a report made it back to a superior who asked him about it and he agree he did it and said why. The CO probably said OK, just don't do it again and someone else felt the need to snitch and thus the CO had to push it up the chain.
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Georgia Boy 61 Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 5:00 PM
Bud, the ridiculous ROEs underwhich our troops served (and continue to serve) in places like Iraq and Afghanistan is a national disgrace. History will not remember the Bush administration kindly for putting the safety of our enemies and their enablers ahead of that of our own soldiers. Combat soldiers, the kind who entrust their lives to one another and their officers, prefer a leader like West to all others. West famously said, "I'd walk through hell with a gasoline can for my soldiers"... Politically-correct handwringers who presume to Monday-Morning quarterback how our soldiers should act while getting shot at, from the safety and comfort of their sofa, are beneith contempt. West was railroaded, just like the Leavenworth Ten and the...
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Georgia Boy 61 Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 5:02 PM
(Continued) West was railroaded, just like the Leavenworth Ten and the Haditha Marines were railroaded. These patriots deserve our gratitude, promotions and decorations, not the "Star Chamber" treatment they got instead.
West has every right to hold his head high, and should apologize for nothing.
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commchf Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 6:41 PM
So the officer who charged him with the crimes wasn't a combat soldier? Was he a patriot?
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MoreKowBell Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 10:31 PM
geez, it's not like he was impeached and disbarred. By liberal standards, this guy should have received about 4 promotions.
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TeaPartyNation Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 3:47 PM
"Allen West: Obama Shredding Constitution"

..then STOP SUPPORTING THE PIGFORD RIP-OFF OF AMERICAN TAXPAYERS and draft Articles of Impeachment for obozo's high crimes and misdemeanors !
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Liberals Lie Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 3:11 PM
I wish West was running for president. He would also make a wonderful VP. A very unusual politician -- he says exactly what he means and what he says makes a lot of sense.
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Frank Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 2:56 PM
At a townhall yesterday, when questioned about his salary, Rep. Steve Southerland (R-FL) played the Sean Duffy card, telling constituents it's a pretty lean salary given how many hours he puts in and the risks he runs.

"And by the way, did I mention? They're shooting at us," Southerland told constituents. "If you think this job pays too much, with those kinds of risks and cutting me off from my family business, I'll just tell you: This job don't mean that much to me. I had a good life in Panama City."
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Lance85 Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 2:59 PM

"Let us all remember who the real enemy is. The real enemy is the Tea Party -- the Tea Party holds the Congress hostage. They have one goal in mind, and that's to make President Obama a one-term president," Rep. Frederica Wilson (D-FL) said at a Miami town hall with constituents.


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Frank Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 5:39 PM
That is exactly what the tea party says...nothing alarming there...
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Sonny Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 9:41 PM
The real enemy is the socialist/communist plantation managers in congress.
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Lance85 Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 3:00 PM
Congresswoman Maxine Waters (D-CA): "I'm not afraid of anybody," Waters told the crowd. "This is a tough game. You can't be intimidated. You can't be frightened. And as far as I'm concerned, the Tea Party can go straight to hell."


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Frank Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 5:40 PM
You bet. They can go straight to hell and take this lame new congressman who obviously does not like being one with them.
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Lance85 Wrote: Aug 26, 2011 1:37 AM
Keep it classy Frank...
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Lance85 Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 2:50 PM
Walker, a few examples of unconstitutional things so far:

Czars...the late Robert Byrd told him they were unconstitutional: http://opengov.ideascale.com/a/dtd/Senior-Democrat-Says-Obama%E2%80%99s-Czars-Unconstitutional-/7705-4049

Obamacare: http://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillmatthews/2011/08/15/can-obamacare-survive-an-unconstitutional-mandate/

Failure to defend the Defense of Marriage Act
http://blog.heritage.org/2011/02/23/obama-drops-pretense-administration-will-not-defend-doma/
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Frank Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 2:58 PM
Until the SCOTUS rules on it, it is constitutional. Even if they rule on it one way, they can overturn themselves at a later date. You should read up on our constitution and history, might give you pause the next time you spew this kind of stuff...
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Lance85 Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 3:06 PM
Great response Frank. Instead of arguing any facts, you insult. As it happens, one of my undergrad degrees is in history with several classes on constitutional history. But, good on you for trying to be patronizing... FYI: Courts have already ruled it unconstitutional: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903480904576512591390602176.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
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Thomas Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 3:07 PM
No, until it is ruled on by any Federal judge. It is currently un-Constitutional per the 11th Circuit. It can and will be appealed, but until then the ruling stands. Maybe YOU should read some more about Constituional Law and history before spewing your uninformed and mistaken opinions.
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Thomas Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 3:13 PM
That was for Frank, btw. You ninjaed my post Lance :)
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Lance85 Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 3:15 PM
I figured as much Thomas. No offense taken. My ninja nimble fingers at work...
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Brutus58 Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 3:33 PM
Frank, maybe you should read up on your history. Both Jefferson and Madison, who wrote the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions respectively, argued that the Supreme Court should not be the final arbitor of what is and is not Constitutional. Why they asked, should a branch of the federal government have the final word of that same government's powers? They were in favor of state nullification of any Supreme Court decision deemed unconstitutional. After all, the states created the federal government, not the other way around.
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carol Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 5:02 PM
Thank you Lance for your very informstive and intelligent response. I am a strong proponemt of the "Rule of Law" and it is most disgusting and very disconcerting when liberal trolls like frank think they can create their own laws to cater to their own ideologies.
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Georgia Boy 61 Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 5:09 PM
Frank, that's horsesh*t and you know it. Any politician of either party who willfully sidesteps, ignores or otherwise commits an offense against the constitution is in violation of his oath of office. Besides which, our courts - being dominated by leftist ideologues - long ago quit enforcing the provisions of the constitution as the founders intended. Either the constitution is the law of the land, or it isn't... there's no in-between. Obama and Congress have already shown conclusively that they regard the COTUS as a set of suggestions and not the supreme law of the land. Example? Obama is in office in violation of article 2, section 1 and the legally binding ruling in Minor vs. Happersett.
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Phd in Reality Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 5:43 PM
Frankly, I doubt you even know what rule of law refers to.
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Frank Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 5:43 PM
So where does your education lead you to believe that anything Obama has done is unconstitutional? Every single thing you harp on has not been decided and in fact has arguments on either side of the debate. Yet here you bray with your undergrad degree in history as some sort of pedigree while already deciding the cases for us in the court of opinion. I gave you a link to a real debate about the law, go there and watch. The constitutionality of the mandate is easily handled with the N and P clause along with the commerce clause. Yes, there is a side debate about the fact that except for the Militia Act of 1791, no one has ever been forced to buy an item..oops, we have a mandatory smallpox innoculation case too in the early 1900s....
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Frank Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 5:49 PM
It was upheld in more decisions by the courts than it was denied. It will end up in the Supremes unless someone decides at the lower courts to uphold it. Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4R76D95ews

This guy knows the constitution. He taught most of the lawyers in the courts today...you want to argue the law with him? Or Tribe? Please...
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Frank Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 5:54 PM
I know all about those ideas and reject them as immaterial to the discussion and just pieces of history, nothing more. So should you. They have NO bearing on the Federal Government, none at all. You might read up on Marbury v Madison, the key decision establishing the courts as the SOLE arbiter of what is or is not constitutional. Jefferson's views were chaotic, he wanted every state and branch to decide themselves what was or was not constitutional. As for Madison, he changed his mind later in life when he realized that one entity had to be the sole dispenser of justice and law. I suggest reading a book called "What kind of Nation". It is outstanding.
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Frank Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 5:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZvaSrztrY8

Look everyone, all ridicule aside. This is a very important issue and we should all be on the same page here. Go to that link and watch the debate. The greatest legal minds in our nation are on the panels and they will explain in detail what the real debate will become once it gets to the SCOTUS. You will quickly see that it is not as cut and dry as your right wing media types want to portray it.
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Frank Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 5:56 PM
Georgia...you make no sense as usual. Do you know anything about the subject other than what right wing radio tells you?
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FastEd Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 5:58 PM
Well done, Frank! I gave up arguing with these guys. They don't seem capable of differentiating their beliefs (as inculcated from the right wing propaganda machine) from what is resident in the Constitution or, better yet, law.
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Frank Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 6:44 PM
these folks know only what they hear from mark levin and Rushbo...I feel sorry for them.
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Sonny Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 9:43 PM
Another Obama pie in the sky wet-dreamer parrot has spoken.
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Sonny Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 9:45 PM
And you moron's only know what you hear from your bright Red friends at MSNBC.
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Lance85 Wrote: Aug 26, 2011 1:41 AM
No Frank, it wasn't and you already know that. I watched the video, and again, the only person who matters now is Justice Kennedy. Why in the world do you want the government to dictate to you what you must do? What comes after this - what kind of "green" car, what foods you can eat?
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Lance85 Wrote: Aug 26, 2011 1:45 AM
Yes, yes, we know, we're all mindless automatons because we don't agree with you that we should turn over our healthcare decisions to the government. Again, Kennedy is the only "great mind" that matters now, and yes, it really is that cut and dry - an individual mandate forces each of us to procure a service against our will. Individual liberty anyone?
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Bud Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 3:09 PM
How many Czars did George Bush have?
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Lance85 Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 3:13 PM
4 for Bush, 39 for Obama. And, in both cases, they were unconstitutional.
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Sage Advice Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 3:35 PM
4 versus 39? My oh my, this is dang near identical to the ratio of deficit spending each one has done. For every four dollars Bush spent, Obozo has spent at least thirty nine dollars.
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Frank Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 7:26 PM
They are perfectly constitutional. Thats why most every POTUS since FDR has used them...
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Lance85 Wrote: Aug 26, 2011 1:46 AM
Not according to the Senate since they are supposed to approve confirmations of department heads and these people act as those...
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Bourne Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 2:44 PM
Like I said earlier - You can't debate stupid. My hypothesis is proven again and again on TH.com. Just any post by a LibProgTard and you will understand that you can't fix or change stupid!
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carol Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 2:34 PM
Hey Carol - Care to explain this insult towards me when you told this to walker?

Sorry.
I dont recall acusing him of any crime? Are you confusing me with carol - lower case c?
No offense taken. It happens often. If I knew how to change my account name I would.
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Robert Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 2:30 PM
Wait a minute, today is Aug. 25th. West is just now figuring out that obamao has no respect for the constitution? This guy voted for the flawed debt ceiling, cut spending, create super committee bill which does nothing, accomplishes nothing. I'm telling you, if you don't see it yet, this West guy has no business being in the congress. Out him at the earliest election for the good of the country.
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rick Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 2:29 PM
jt? You're a hoot!
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Nelson Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 2:21 PM
I can just imagine the demagogues and race merchants of the CBC have an absolute hissy fit with 'blood shooting out of their eyes' every time this great American gets on TV. LOL!
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Elizabeth Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 2:24 PM
Nelson: I'm channeling a great visual on that!! LOL I only wish there was video of their first meeting
with Col West present . . .
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Lance85 Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 2:18 PM
Walker, ref your statement below that Obamacare will be ruled constitutional: As we will likely find out, probably about 1-2 months before the Presidential election, the Supreme Court will declare it unconstitutional. Anthony Kennedy, likely the deciding vote when this comes to the Supremes wrote this decision back in June for a case U.S. v Bonds - 10th Amendment issue. It gives strong hint to how he will rule: cont'd
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Lance85 Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 2:19 PM
In Bond, Kennedy found that Congress exceeded its constitutional authority. Even the judges that have upheld Obamacare have taken note that the issue involving the individual mandate is one of first impression. It most certainly is. IT IS UNPRECEDENTED. Never in the history of this country has the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TAKEN THE POSITION THAT IT HAS THE POWER TO MANDATE THAT A CITIZEN ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH A THIRD-PARTY FOR A GOVERNMENT-APPROVED GOOD OR SERVICE AS A CONDITION OF GOOD SERVICE OR BE PENALISED, FINED, HAVE INTEREST INCURRED, AND POSSIBLY EVEN BE SENTENCE TO PRISON FOR FAILURE TO PURCHASE A PRODUCT. NEVER.
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Lance85 Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 2:19 PM
Thanks again to Mo for some of the research...
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Frank Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 2:35 PM
If you want to hear from the experts, hear from the experts not some radio show. Here is a clip on the debate between the true experts not some hack on the radio or TV.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69Yu7PFwBZo
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Lance85 Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 2:55 PM
Frank, I'm not sure who you're referring to as "some hack on the radio or TV." This was thoughts based on what Justice Kennedy ruled already on a similar case. There are numerous other places where people have written about the unconstitutionality of the law.
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Frank Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 2:59 PM
That case is not going to be part of the debate. The hack is the one that linked them. Watch the clip, there are many others there between real experts.
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Lance85 Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 3:08 PM
Frank, stop insulting and read things without ad hominem attacks. The POINT is that Kennedy will likely be the deciding vote and this is early indication for how he will rule. Stop being an agitator.
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southern tom Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 4:01 PM

...THERE are no experts on the Left... just wannabe's...
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Phd in Reality Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 5:45 PM
Lance:

Car insurance.
Unemployment insurance.
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Georgia Boy 61 Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 5:14 PM
It matters not whether the SCOTUS rules that Obamacare is "constitutional" - any "law" that forces you to buy a product (in this case health insurance from Uncle Sam) that you neither want nor need, is not worthy of the name. Sorry, but jurisprudence in this country long ago ceased being about right and wrong.
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M.K. Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 2:09 PM
Allen West is the best.
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Richard Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 1:59 PM
Allen West is a bigget and a rasist!
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CVN65 Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 2:02 PM
What a relief! I was certain he would be accused of being a bigot and a racist.
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Elizabeth Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 2:07 PM
CVN65: As was I--nice to see Col West only referred to as a "bigget & a rasist!"
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M.K. Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 2:10 PM
I thought he was calling West a beergut. Whats a bigget?
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Elizabeth Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 2:16 PM
M.K.: I'm not sure--I only know that it's probably not as derogatory as a "bigot" LOL
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Roy Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 2:17 PM
Only Richerd knows!!
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carol Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 2:18 PM
And further, what's a rasist. Can't make that stuff up.
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Elizabeth Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 2:21 PM
Roy & Carol: Only in the diseased thought process that passes for "intellect"
could such commentary be perceived as irrefutable logic! Leftist trolls appear
to lack the ability to posit coherent arguments or engage in actual debate.
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Thomas Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 3:02 PM
isn't that some sort of French roll?
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CVN65 Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 4:34 PM
Ok, that I will NOT stand for! Anyone that wishes to refer to Col. West as a "baguette" had better do it in person or not do it at all.
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Elizabeth Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 2:06 PM
Richard: Once again I see you must resort to more demonstrations of Alinsky's Rules For Radicals
with your typical reflexive response system by leftist trolls, which in this instance appears to be a
combination of vilification, denigration & flinging pooh(name calling)! But then, we expect nothing
more substantive, so we are not disappointed, only resigned to business as usual.
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Tea Party in Bright Red WI Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 1:58 PM
Col West is sure pushing a lot of Progs/Marxist buttons. It's tough on them, finding out he's smarter and more patriotic than the rest of the CBC put together. Tough also that he's a TRUE AMERICAN, not some halfbreed who has NO connection to the black experience or the American exceptionalism. They are really very frightened of this MAN. Would love to see a real debate between him and the commie in chief.
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Elizabeth Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 2:09 PM
Tea Party in Bright Red WI: Yes, you know the leftist troll contingent is at their wit's end with fine,
upstanding Conservative Patriots like Col West! The cannot possibly begin to fathom why he
refuses to fall into lock step with them & allow himself to be led around by the nose, as do the
rest of the complicit & compliant minority population the have turned into a mob of useful idiots.
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Elizabeth Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 2:10 PM
Tea Party in Bright Red WI: Btw, thanks to you & all the other newly discovered Conservatives
in your state for standing up for the cause of fiscal sanity & responsibility in your state!!
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Frank Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 1:30 PM
Translation: I am not a constitutional scholar nor expert but I have a very good idea that our POTUS who is such an expert is destroying the very fabric of our nation by doing something really bad. I can't say what it is specifically nor cite the specific parts of the constitution he is violating but that should not be a problem for me. I am just dead certain that he is destroying our constitution even though I cannot say how or where or when or anything really....
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FastEd Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 1:44 PM
If I were you, I would re-read what you just wrote. How can you be "dead certain" of something but then say " cannot say how or where or when?" It is kind of sad. Our democracy rests on an INFORMED citizenry. Townhall, Fox "news", and the rest of the malevolent right wing propaganda machine relies on attitudes like that. All they do is just keep repeating and repeating the same things so eventually everyone thinks they are true. That is why I keep asking for specifics. Just look at Rick Perry babbling about 'gaps in evolution' and 'lack of scientific data about global warming.' His ignorance is stunning and not good for our country and democracy regardless of one being a Republican, Democrat or whatever.
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carol Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 2:00 PM
walker.....with ALL of the covert and deceptive actions from this president and his comrades, he/they STILL cannot hide everything and when one sees and hears just bits and pieces, it is very usual for anyone and everyone to say ........ "I can't quite figure out what's going on here, but something just doesn't smell right".
Have you walker ever heard of detecting work. Well, I know you are ONLY 2 years old, so therefore, I'll tell you. Detecting is investigating and gathering many pieces of a situation and then spending very much time putting those pieces together to fit a certain scheme. And because ALL obama does is SCHEME, and COVERTLY HIDE his real intentions regarding his agenda,
it is very difficult to outwardly know.
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FastEd Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 2:06 PM
Stop babbling. Do you have anything specific to say? Anything related to facts? I am STILL waiting for you to say something - ANYTHING - to back up any of your empty claims and rhetoric.
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Frank Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 2:18 PM
Uh...my entire "translation" bit is to pretend I am the author of the piece and speak for them. I realize reading comprehension is a problem with most conservatives but I am here to help if you need remedial attention.
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Frank Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 2:19 PM
I have no obligation to say anything at all. I am merely restating what your party and pundits say and revealing the hidden truths. This site is not a forum for intelligent discourse. If you like to really discuss issues without the neanderthals, go to Slate or Frum Forum...see you there.
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Thomas Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 3:04 PM
you consider Obama an "expert" on the Constitution? Really!!jQuery15208321230346072571_1314298701875 After his many mistakes on even basic Constitutional Law? Wow!
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carol Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 3:24 PM
Nope frank - it's just that conservstives don't have the perverted violent mind like you liberal/marxist trolls have. It's amazing how perverted and demented you are.
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carol Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 3:39 PM
And just because you played a "gotcha game" doesn't negate my post.
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Frank Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 8:09 PM
I am perverted? Did I ask you to dance in 1978 in Marina Del Rey?
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Sonny Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 9:54 PM
Frank, Your parents must have rubbed two turds together to produce you, I truly hope you are incapable of reproducing, the dung heap of society is overflowing.
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Sonny Wrote: Aug 25, 2011 9:52 PM
Frank, have another one it will calm your nerves, you have had a real rough day, be kind to yourself.
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