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SHOCKING: $200,000 Lifeguards with Million Dollar Pensions!

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Incredible! I didn't believe it when I heard about it. As if you need a whopper of a reason to rein in Big Government.

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Steve of CA Wrote: 15 hours ago (3:18 AM)

Lifeguards and other government employees who are in public safety positions generally receive better packages than other state employees. A typical clerical employee would make closer to 35,000 dollars annually after 30 years and would receive a pension of maybe 2,000 dollars upon retirement at age 65.

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Steve of CA Wrote: 15 hours ago (3:19 AM)

to clarify: 2,000 dollars in monthly pension if retiring at age 65.

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Joe Casepack Wrote: 15 hours ago (2:38 AM)

I've been a Red-Cross certified lifeguard since I was 15.

I could've spent my working life swimming daily(my favorite thing) instead of growing old under fluorescent lights in cubicles and poorly equipped offices and only swimming when on vacation or at the gym which is not nearly as fun as the waves.

I hate these government types for hogging all the good deals for themselves. Heck, even being a prison guard in Cali pays 6 figures.

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Glenn Wrote: 17 hours ago (1:13 AM)

I used to think libs had a different viewpoint but I have now come to the conclusion that they are simply stupid and here is why. They want taxes raised on big oil. Big oil does not pay taxes, they just pass that additional expense on to the folks who purchase gasoline. And who do libs think that is? They have no clue. Yeah lets raise the price of gas some more. How can anyone be that clueless? Amazing but true.

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Rich D. Wrote: 17 hours ago (12:30 AM)

RomanLion: Gee, Joel, why should you get that?

It seems to me you guys think that benefits for life for military guys is fine, but other government workers, well, we just can't have that. ..

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My son has been in the Navy for almost 8 years, mostly overseas, and they have frozen advancements since Obama. The best he can hope for at 20 years is under 3K per month, which he doesn't make now (he gets 2,620). Look it up. That's not even 36K per years for writing a blank check to protect your butt for up to the cost of his life.

http://www.militarytimes.com/projects/money/pay_charts/2011/basic/0_20/

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Joe Wrote: 17 hours ago (1:10 AM)

You're kidding, right? Or is it just libtard stupidity? I'll try to explain it to you libtard. I spent 10 years as a U.S. Air Force Officer. I've spent 20 years working in the private sector - including working on contracts for various government agencies (e.g., DoD, FAA, etc.) There's a huge difference between working in an office for the FAA, for example, and being in the military. I have a lot of respect for all the people I've worked with in the government, but we don't owe an FAA technical project manager retirement for life any more than you owe me a retirement for life for working along side them as a contract technical project manager. I put money into a 401K. They can do the same. Military, police, fire and anyone who could potentially put their life on the line to protect others. Fine, give them a nice retirement. Some guy who sits behind a desk for 20 years? Sorry libtard, we don't owe him a retirement for life for his "sacrifice". I realize you're just an ignorant fool who doesn't know anything about the difference between "military guys" and other "government workers" and you probably don't even work, but I hope this helps clear it up for you.

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Georgia Boy 61 Wrote: 15 hours ago (2:27 AM)

Joe, no gripes with your argument - but take it a step further. Not all cops, firemen and soldiers risk their lives; there are plenty who do nothing more dangerous than ride a desk. Does a career soldier-bureaucrat deserve a defined-benefit pension for life? Not in my view. And unless you've been disabled in the line of duty or in battle, you should not be eligible to get a pension until you are 65. An uncle of mine was retired military, and drew his O-4 pension plus full medical for 40 years before his death. Mutiply that out over all the current and future retirees, and it is breaking the bank. The Feds can at least monetize their debt; that won't happen with the states and cities. The highest priority recipients of pension benefits should be those too disabled to work, and death benefits paid to families who've lost a breadwinner in the line of duty. Next, cops, fire, and combat veterans. Next, everyone else. Sorry, but pay teachers and bureaucrats a competitve salary, and then expect them to save their own old age - just like everyone else. And except in the cases above - disability and death - no one "retires" at age 45 and collects a pension for the next 35 or 40 years. That's unsustainable. Raise the pension vesting age to at least 65, preferrably 68.

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Rich D. Wrote: 10 hours ago (7:54 AM)

Joe, to whom was your post addressed?

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Fantasy Control Wrote: 19 hours ago (10:55 PM)

At some point we need to recognize that employees should only be paid what the market will bear. This is taxpayer theft, pure and simple. The system will go bankrupt and the government will close down the beaches because greedy taxpayers aren't able to pay for people handlers. Any good government employee will tell you that non-government employees must be supervised while they sun themselves dangerously on the beach.

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Walker Wrote: 19 hours ago (10:45 PM)

Can't you people see through this 'article?" Townhall is desperate for any topic - repeat, ANY topic - too keep you nimrods fired up about 'big government' and 'socialism' or whatever.
Please tell me that Townhall and their lackey, Hengler, have something else to worry about.

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NOTW Wrote: 18 hours ago (11:22 PM)

Something else to worry about aside from solvency ?

While NB might not ever suffer like other cities, it's an indicative example of other cities. NB's neighbor Costa Mesa laid off half its city. They have 24 Million unfunded, annually... pie in the sky promises gone wrong. Who shall pay that?

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Mark in CA Wrote: 15 hours ago (3:11 AM)

What would you like me to worry about, Walker?

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Greg Wrote: 8 hours ago (9:31 AM)

How, exactly are we supposed to "see through" a fact?

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scooter Wrote: 19 hours ago (10:38 PM)

Like all the idiots that are upset over bankers and "big oil" making too much and are perfectly ok with goverment slackers getting paid ridiculous sums of money for basic jobs while they pay taxes to support them. Hey idiots you need bankers and oil! You don't need goverment slackers! gas is too high and so are taxes!

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Walker Wrote: 17 hours ago (1:11 AM)

Scooter...how is your math? Investment bankers, insurance companies, bank holding companies and banks over the past 3 years has cost this country over 14 Trillion dollars...and still counting. Now, add up ALL the lifeguards and other public employees (that you can identify) that are 'ripping off'' the country. Let's see if that even APPROACHES that figure.
As to bankers doing work that we 'need,' ever heard of collateralized debt obligations'? 'credit default swaps'? No? That's ok, because very few people do know what they are. And do you know why that is? Because they are worthless; they have no productive value and they create no wealth (other than for the personal bank accounts of the bankers).
So, in short you are wrong. And, like the rest of Townhall, you are angry at the wrong people for screwing you. Lifeguards, librarians, teachers, illegal immigrants, etc. are the LAST people you have to worry about taking your money.

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Hannah Wrote: 16 hours ago (2:12 AM)

Please back up what you are saying with some sources.

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Scott Wrote: 19 hours ago (10:35 PM)

This is exactly the kind of prodigality, in addition to that of the federal gov and perpetual printing of the Federal Reserve that is going to bury us. Look for a wave of municipal defaults to hrock the fianancial markets soon.

Have an emergency communications plan BEFORE the consequnces of the rapacity of the federal government and the Federal Reserve hits the proverbial fan. http://www.cbPatriot.com is forming the CB Patriot Project for exactly that purpose. Don't expect you are going to be able to blog here at Townhall or use your cell when the day of reckoning arrives.

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M.K. Wrote: 23 hours ago (6:44 PM)

Lifeguards smart. Voters stupid. Not big gov, just entitlement gov.

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jondo Wrote: 20 hours ago (9:22 PM)

on a sunny day 60,000 people can be on those beaches, over 8 million tourists, pretty high end shops
maybe they get what they pay for

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M.K. Wrote: 10 hours ago (7:59 AM)

If they want to pay through their nose thats their business.

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Robert G Munck Wrote: May 07, 2011 5:19 PM

"As if you need a whopper of a reason to reign in Big Government."

The municipal government of Newport Beach is "Big Government?" It appears to be about a dozen people; how small do you have to be before wingnuts don't hate you for being Big Government? And I thought you believed in local control as the best approach.

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Obie Wan Wrote: May 07, 2011 5:54 PM

Ha,ha,do you want to pay 100 grand a year for a 50 year old retired life guard? Be my guest shiite fror brains !!!

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Robert G Munck Wrote: 23 hours ago (7:12 PM)

"do you want to pay 100 grand a year for a 50 year old retired life guard?"

Do you think that the Federal Government should have prevented it? The state government? The county government? Who, exactly?

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Obie Wan Wrote: 22 hours ago (7:41 PM)

Actually I think the taxpayers should be allowed to prevent it. After all,they're the people who are paying for it !!!

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Robert G Munck Wrote: 22 hours ago (7:54 PM)

"I think the taxpayers should be allowed to prevent it."

Not a thing in the world stopping them. The area is 60% Republican, and I'd imagine the city government is pretty solidly GOP. Actually, that might be the problem; Republicans are grossly incompetent at running a government.

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Obie Wan Wrote: 22 hours ago (8:02 PM)

Well Munck if that's the case,I'd have to say they'd qualify to become good DemoCraps,ha,ha !!!

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Robert G Munck Wrote: 21 hours ago (8:24 PM)

"DemoCraps,ha,ha !!!"

Do your parents know you're using their computer?

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Obie Wan Wrote: 21 hours ago (8:31 PM)

Ha,ha,actually Munck they do and they honestly don't have a problem with my using their computer. What would bother them however is if I was stupid enough to agree to pay a retired F'ing lifeguard a 100 thousand dollar pension !!!

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norm Wrote: 19 hours ago (10:23 PM)

That's right, just look how the Republicans screwed up Detroit. Chicago and Washington DC

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Fantasy Control Wrote: 19 hours ago (10:58 PM)

No, just let them go bankrupt. And, BTW, the Federal government is paying for it. Obama gave L.A. 110 million dollars for "shovel ready jobs." As in almost every other case, it turned out he was just propping up bankrupt unions. L.A. created 55 jobs.

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Fantasy Control Wrote: 19 hours ago (10:59 PM)

LOL

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Hannah Wrote: 16 hours ago (2:18 AM)

Please do you your homework.
http://www.newportbeachca.gov/index.aspx?page=931

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June Wrote: May 07, 2011 4:54 PM

Shocking? Nothing is shocking anymore. All so outrageous.

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DockyWocky Wrote: May 07, 2011 4:30 PM

Who says them union bosses are stupid?

The state, county, and city bosses who allowed this need to be strung up and dried up (mumified) in the winds. And until they find a sane policy period from which to build, those administrator also need to be strung up and dried, too.

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Charles Wesley Wrote: May 07, 2011 3:20 PM

Well, Lifeguards in So Cal are equivalent to peace officers or firemen. They can make arrests and they can detain people. They enforce laws. It is more than babe watch. No doubt the loftiest of these salaries are for supervisors. There are some golden jobs around that require little brain power. Mortgage loan officers come immediately to mind.

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Joel Wrote: May 07, 2011 4:57 PM

Hmmmm, I remember growing up in the SF Bay area and when we went to the beach, there used to be signs that said "Swim at your own risk".

It's too bad that in todays' environment, the average schlub is incapable (in the eyes of politicians and lawyers) of doing anything at their own risk. Happy meals, salt, swimming.

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lilly Wrote: 20 hours ago (10:22 PM)

Have you ever watched a lifeguard save somebody's life? I have. It is not a joking matter. I realize that you think an 85 year-old man having a stroke should just pull up his socks and be self-sufficient, and that it's just fine for the mentally ill to sleep on sidwalk grates on a cold winter night, but do you really want children swimming unattended in the ocean? And before you say "let the parents watch them" please remember that the parents may be unable to swim, let alone retrieve a child who has gone under, tow him to land if he is panicked and combative, and then resuscitate him.

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true liberal Wrote: 10 hours ago (8:11 AM)

Not saying that lifeguards don't do a valuable job. It is just not worth the money

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Fantasy Control Wrote: 19 hours ago (11:00 PM)

justifying the bankruptcy of your government by evil union leaders is not very pretty, Charles.

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Bobby Q. Grill Wrote: May 07, 2011 3:04 PM

OK now, be reasonable and think about it. Lifeguarding is a young man's game-would you want to trust your life to someone who looks like the Hoff does now? Like professional athletes they must have high incomes to make up for short careers. Who's going to hire a superannuated lifeguard? Besides they are supposed to live within quick response distance and the landslides washed away Jim Rockford and Martin Riggs' trailers...

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Georgia Boy 61 Wrote: May 07, 2011 4:31 PM

Bobby, re: "Like professional athletes they must have high incomes to make up for short careers." That's nonsense. The job doesn't take a whole lot of skill, and can be done by any reasonably fit, intelligent person. There is abolsutely no justification for six-figure pensions, or for a pension benefit at all, for that matter. These gigs should pay fifteen or twenty dollars per hour, tops.

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norm Wrote: 19 hours ago (10:29 PM)

In most area of the country beach swimming only occurs in the Summer. Since most college kids are out in the summer and many colleges have swim teams, it looks like good summer employment for some of these kids. I think many of them would work for less than 8,000/month.

My granddaughter is an excellent swimmer, she went to state in high school and was on her college swim team. She is currently working towards her masters, I am sure she would consider an 8,000/month job for the summer.

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Illbay Wrote: May 07, 2011 2:23 PM

It's "rein in." Don't you guys have editors?

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Robert G Munck Wrote: May 07, 2011 5:04 PM

"Don't you guys have editors?"

Or English teachers?

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true liberal Wrote: 10 hours ago (8:13 AM)

English teachers?

Sure! But they are part of the Teacher's Union that "work" in public schools.

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Mark in CA Wrote: May 07, 2011 12:57 PM

I live near Newport Beach. I often go there to enjoy the beach, ocean, restaurants, etc. I had no idea they were paying their full time lifeguards better than what the registered nurses are getting paid at their community hospital.

I got curious so I did a search and found that the median based salary for an internal medicine physician in Orange County where Newport Beach is located is 199,732 per year.

Presumably, the full time life guards are in supervisory positions. Still, I can't imagine that their jobs are nearly as demanding as those of internal med. M.Ds. nor carry the liability risks that physicians cope with. Something is definitely wrong.

Newport Beach is an affluent community. Beach front homes start in the 2 million dollar range and go much, much higher from there so those property tax revenues are high. I guess if the citizens of Newport Beach can afford 200k lifeguards and don't mind shelling out the bucks for them. . .well, that's their business.

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NOTW Wrote: May 07, 2011 4:25 PM

Apparently they cannot afford all the employees either. They recently laid off many service jobs like landscaping in the PW dept and will contract out that work. Smart decision.

They're certainly not hurting as bad as Costa Mesa. Those pie in the sky pensions are 35 million underfunded annually now.

(live in HB).

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Mark in CA Wrote: 15 hours ago (3:01 AM)

I was in HB tonight and was wondering what their full time lifeguards get paid.

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Tyler Wrote: May 07, 2011 10:44 AM

California can stew in their own fiscal morass.

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theabnranger Wrote: May 07, 2011 10:33 AM

Those who have moved that irresponsible state to its current economic woes should be prosecuted for the damage they have done.

No bailouts for California! Let them stew in their greed and conceit.

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JRG3 Wrote: May 07, 2011 9:24 AM

One day, irresponsible California will need a bailout. The question is will they get it? The answer will tell us in which direction America is going, toward fiscal responsibility or toward rewarding fiscal insanity.

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Flaming Liberal Multiculturalist Wrote: May 07, 2011 11:22 AM

Why not California? Oh, I get it, just Wall St....

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Bill Wrote: May 07, 2011 11:56 AM

Wall Street should not have been bailed out: two wrongs do not make a right.

Let California rot: Arizonia, Nevada and Oregon: build a fence.

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John Wrote: May 07, 2011 12:38 PM

Wall Street is in the Bammer Administration....

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Bulldog33 Wrote: May 07, 2011 9:18 AM

The house of cards that is California cannot continue indefinitely until it collapses under its own weight. The question is when. Furthermore, delaying the dreaded day of reckoning is Federal Government assistance that only makes the inevitable catastrophic consequences worse. When the day comes that California can no longer avoid the hard choices it has chosen to "postpone," they will have to wallow in the pit of sh!t they have created. I couldn't care less what happens to California and will watch the outcome with complete indifference. Decisions have consequences and the poor decisions Californians and their elected leaders have made are going to come to roost. I can't wait.

De Oppresso Liber
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joe kidd Wrote: May 07, 2011 8:42 AM

When Gary Johnson was governor he vetoed a bipartisan bill to require pet stores to walk their dogs daily. He said they probably should walk their dogs daily ,but if we pass a law we have to enforce it,that requires someone whose responsibility is to regulate the daily walking of dogs, Someone you have to pay ,This is why government is so big and intrusive very few elected officials think of the consequences of passing well intentioned regulation .

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FREE100KSECRET Wrote: May 07, 2011 8:30 AM

This is why the country is bankrupt, bet they have a great life guard union.

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Joel Wrote: May 07, 2011 2:11 AM

Hmmmm, seems I went in the wrong direction retirement wise. I spent 25 years in the army and now get 2,300 a month, medical co-pay and no dental.

On the other hand, as a third generation Californian, I saw this train wreck coming 30 years ago and left with no idea of returning. What's going to happen when the working electorate leave the state along with the jobs that are fleeing and no one is left but retired state employees and illegals??

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RomanLion Wrote: May 07, 2011 7:02 AM

Gee, Joel, why should you get that?

It seems to me you guys think that benefits for life for military guys is fine, but other government workers, well, we just can't have that. ..

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Bill Wrote: May 07, 2011 8:57 AM

Roman: military members earn their retirement in hazardous jobs.
Most government workers sit behind a desk.

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douglas Wrote: May 07, 2011 9:14 AM

TY Your proof of why they can do it.IDIOT, theres a hugh difference between a soldiers 2,300 a month retirement and a LIFE GAURD IN LAs 10,000 plus a month retirement OR DONT YOU EVEN KNOW HOW TO ADD??? and this is really outrages, defending your nation and watching bikinis all day yes thats equal, only in the eyes of delusional fools.

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Bulldog33 Wrote: May 07, 2011 9:23 AM

Roman Shithead!

When you spend a career in which your life is at stake almost everyday you show up for work, then come talk to me. The hardships of military life are enormous and judging by your pathetic comment to Joel, you've never worn a military uniform or served our country. You're another miserable leftist "piece of merde."

De Oppresso Liber
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tc5bwe Wrote: May 07, 2011 9:32 AM

Military guys put their lives on the line and are paid a pittance throughout their time in the military. They have no say in where they go on assignment. They wouldn't think of having a union or not doing their job if a union said they wanted more compensation. If they die their families receive next to nothing.
You've go to be kidding when you equate other government workers with the military. No reasonable or sane person would do that.

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Joel Wrote: May 07, 2011 10:24 AM

Well, for 25 years I didn't have a typical 9 to 5 job. 13 years overseas and in Special Operations, was given the opportunity to collect my life insurance on any given day. Now I don't begrudge a retirement, I am abhored at the amounts.

But, I suppose that this is something that didn't come through when you went through "Moral Equivilancy 101".

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Ronald Wrote: May 07, 2011 11:01 AM

So, Fire Fighters, Corrections Officers and State Police Officers are not considered hazardous jobs in California? I must be stealing my retirement check.

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Joel Wrote: May 07, 2011 11:53 AM

Is that what I said, or is that what you assumed?

There is a significant difference between law enforcement, firefighters, military and teachers, lifeguards and bureaucrats. There is also a question of what is a 'fair' retirement. I have a very difficult time reading about anyone that games the system and during their last year of employment cashes in all vacation, sick leave and retires with a pay raise. Granted, this is not in all cases, but too often.

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White Hare Wrote: May 07, 2011 12:03 PM

Ronald .

Who said that ? It's not collecting a retirement check that has people upset . It's the amount .120,000 a year , to be an ex- lifeguard .

The military guy said he makes 2,300 a month . My job . I have a 401K . NO pention .

The federal government is broke . 14 trillion in debt . State governments are broke .

To here that government workers are retiring with 10,000 a month is an outrage. I don't care what your job is . That's to much .

ROB in Louisiana

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Frank Wrote: May 07, 2011 4:16 PM

Probably because Joe spent 20 plus years working sometimes 24 hrs a day, sometimes in combat, often times away from his family for long periods. I'll bet RomanLion spent more time taking catnaps than working

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Steve of CA Wrote: 14 hours ago (3:25 AM)

I have a retired military friend who receives his pension. I certainly don't begrudge him that, but from what he told me, he never experienced combat. Many in the military work 20 years without facing any kind of combat, then get pension plus benefits and are still young enough to look for other work. Should military pension apply only to those who served in hazardous situations and not the "REMFs" who work behind a desk just as government employees do?

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DAVID70 Wrote: 11 hours ago (7:16 AM)

Just because a military job as a desk jockey seems harmless, that can change in a heart beat. Basic military training involves qualifying with an infantry rifle for most everyone.

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GeorgiaGal Wrote: May 07, 2011 9:09 AM

Be aware: when the Republicans talk about "people getting money from the government", they include military retirees as part of the group of people getting money.

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John Wrote: May 07, 2011 12:39 PM

Prove it

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Frank Wrote: May 07, 2011 4:19 PM

When the republicans talk about getting money from the government they are talking about huge amounts not the small amounts of a military retiree--I am one.

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Frank Wrote: May 07, 2011 4:14 PM

Just so you know there is a contributary dental plan thru delta dental of CA--expensive but good coverage for military retirees

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snerdly Wrote: May 06, 2011 11:17 PM

Koch Bros. run AFP California, so the idea that those filthy rich clowns are directing the ignorati dog whistle at lifeguard pensions is LAUGHABLE. HOw about those oil subsidies that acrue a gazillion more dollars than any lifeguard's pension, asshats?

To think that the rightwing numbnutz spend any time entertaining the nonsense of spoiled filthy rich white trash is SO telling.

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Big Sky Cowboy VI Wrote: May 07, 2011 12:16 AM

S T F U you bytch.

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Randall Wrote: May 07, 2011 2:17 AM

I know you think Big Oil is evil, so I know even you must believe what would happen if we removed those subsidies. You would be giving those evil Koch Bros. another reason to jack up the price of gas.

When will you ever learn that Big Business never pays taxes no matter how much you try to punish them... YOU DO! You pay their taxes added on to their price and there is nothing... absolutly nothing you can do about it outside of abolishing our Constitution and turning the reigns of this country over to Tyrants.

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RomanLion Wrote: May 07, 2011 7:04 AM

Randall, those subsidies have no effect on the price of oil. They were there when it was cheap, it was there when it was up to 150 a barrel...

Tax the rich, feed the poor, until there are no rich no more.

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Randall Wrote: May 07, 2011 7:23 AM

To each according to his needs right Roman?

"Tax the rich, feed the poor, until there are no rich no more"... then where are you gonna get the money?

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joe kidd Wrote: May 07, 2011 8:36 AM

Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. I think this sums up roman lion in a nutshell.

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Bill Wrote: May 07, 2011 8:55 AM

"until there are no rich no more"? Are you a communist?

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Joel Wrote: May 07, 2011 2:19 AM

That you have some grasp of the english language does not qualify you as being literate.

The latest EIA data I found has Solar subsidized at 24.34 per megawatt hour, wind at 23.37 per megawatt, coal at 44 cents per megawatt, natural gas and petroleum getting 25 cents per megawatt. So skippy, what works when the sun doesnt shine and the wind doesnt blow? Oil and coal.

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Randall Wrote: May 07, 2011 2:36 AM

Good point Joel,

Oil, Gas and Coal subsidies have provided more bang for our buck than Solar, Wind and Green subsidies ever have.

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NOTW Wrote: May 07, 2011 2:19 AM

Why does it matter who funds AFP? If they didn't would the problem of California going bankrupt go away?

Costa Mesa (Newports backyard city) has 35 million a year in unfunded pensions. They had to lay off half the city recently. Its not a tax problem Rachel. Its a unicorn dreams promise of pension problem. ALl these people bail on their jobs at 30 years. Its like their serving time in prison to get the golden parachute and don't care when they hit the minimum to even stay a little longer.

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Bill Wrote: May 07, 2011 8:56 AM

The Koch Brothers? You are obsessed.

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scooter Wrote: May 07, 2011 10:24 AM

Let me see.You are trying to get me to compare folks that work hard at competitive business get ahead by supplying a cheaper or better product in a free market situation to an idiot that lays around a beach in southern CA all day???? You call me the idiot? I need cheap gas to run my car to work. My truck at work and you need the products I deliver for your basic sustanance. If you can find a nation any where in the world that supplies cheaper products and goods to a still growing middle class I want to see it. Anyway have fun punishing the rich not because of any way they have done you wrong but because you are jealous of what they have. Read some Russian history if you need to see where we are going. Cling to your God and guns boys and girls ya'll gonna need them.

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Frank Wrote: May 07, 2011 4:20 PM

Take a look at the amount of taxes paid by "Big Oil". They are the ones actually paying taxes and if you look at their profit after taxes it is not much and does not come near what Microsoft or Apple makes per dollar.

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true liberal Wrote: 9 hours ago (8:23 AM)

Most of the subsidies is depreciation allowances that are given to almost all businesses.

GIven the choice, which would you rather have?
A bunch of over paid, lazy gov't workers or businesses that actually do something useful.

I have an idea. Why doesn't Ca just ban all fossil fuels! That'll teach those oil companies a lesson!

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Lepanto Wrote: May 06, 2011 8:28 PM

MADNESS! These lifeguards recieve more than a retired Colonel in the military who has fought our nations wars for thirty years and had to obtain a Master's Degree to reach this rank. California is Insane!

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Frank Wrote: May 07, 2011 4:21 PM

Agreed.

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